Using a Midi Foot Controller to trigger Pads, Latch, Karma On/off

[GregC]

http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showt...&threadid=9461

I spotted this post from last June and brought it here for more coverage

As Stephen posted, you can use the Yamaha MFC10 or the Behringer FCB10 to trigger pads, etc

Getting these devices to actually work with the M3 (or M3M) is my question.

The M3 Op guide, Pg 133 (global P2) shows you can assign a cc message or note value to a pad.

My question is how to use the above devices to send the ' correct ' midi cc message

Has anyone had success with this ? In searching the Internet, it appears to be tricky.

This would help me before I dive it and buy the FCB10

Thanks !

[tsanibaytchev]

I have the same questions.

[orpheus2006]

Originally posted by GregC

My question is how to use the above devices to send the ' correct ' midi cc message

If you want to learn more about programming the FCB1010, read the FCB1010 quick-start guide!
http://behringer.de/FCB1010/?lang=ENG

[GregC]

Originally posted by orpheus2006
If you want to learn more about programming the FCB1010, read the FCB1010 quick-start guide!
http://behringer.de/FCB1010/?lang=ENG

hey orph, thats very useful

I will spend some time with this and try to figure if this is a good match for the M3(M)

Thanks !

[GregC]

FYI:

The very last page of the Korg op guide is the midi Implement chart.

It mentions (but not specifically) 17 cc message #'s for Karma alone

So Karma on/off is NOT included in the Karma group of 17 ? That would suck

There are 10 cc message #'s for the 8 touch pads and X/y mode.

There is no cc message # for Drumtrack on/off. Major mistake.

[tsanibaytchev]

I heard that the Behringer is not a very good foot controler. In fact a friend of mine who has it told me not to buy it. He is a guitar player, so I couldn't ask him about how good it will be with the M3, but he said that there are functions in the manual that are actually impossible to do.

[Stephen Kay]

Originally posted by tsanibaytchev
I heard that the Behringer is not a very good foot controler. In fact a friend of mine who has it told me not to buy it. He is a guitar player, so I couldn't ask him about how good it will be with the M3, but he said that there are functions in the manual that are actually impossible to do.

Yeah, except he is a guitar player. 'Nuf said.

[Stephen Kay]

Originally posted by GregC
o Karma on/off is NOT included in the Karma group of 17 ? That would suck

There are 10 cc message #'s for the 8 touch pads and X/y mode.

KARMA on/off is definitely in there.

All you need to do is go to Global Mode P2-2 Controllers > CC Assign, and use the Meu Command button to select "Reset Controller MIDI Assign", and select the ""CC Default" option.

This is what you would need to do anyway to make it work with a footpedal controller.

Here, you can see all the standard default CC numbers for the various KARMA functions (you can change them to other numbers, but these are the recommended settings.) KARMA On/Off is CC #14.

Note that for the 8 pads, you can use one of two different methods. You can use the CCs, in which case Pad 1 would be CC#110, with a value of 1...127 being the velocity, and a value of 0 being the release. For example:

CC #110 115 - trigger pad 1 with a velocity of 115 and hold
CC #110 000 - release pad 1

However, this can be tricky to do with some controllers and external pad triggering devices. There is another method available, however. If you pop-up the CC Number select menu on one of the pad parameter fields, and scroll all the way to the left, you get into MIDI Note Numbers instead of CCs. You can set each pad to be triggered by a note-on/note-off (which is sometimes easier to program in an external footpedal or pad controller.) You can set the 8 pads to MIDI notes 0...7 (which are unused for anything else usually and will not interfere with anything you are playing) and simply trigger the pads as if they were "samples".

There is no cc message # for Drumtrack on/off

Yeah, that's an oversight IMO. But you can turn the Drumtrack on/off using sysex, and if I am not mistaken, the Behringer and Yamaha can be programmed to send sysex messages. It's a bit more involved...

[GregC]

you are da man, Stephen, O' Master of Midi Trickery, thanks a bunch

FYI, after a few decades, I finally realized, I have been mispronouncing
Midi

Its pronounced:

Meeeeeeee Deeeeeeeee

Long e's

[tsanibaytchev]

This what Stephen said helped me, actually, alot. I was just about to return the Behringer foot controler 1010, when I read this topic again and assigned the presets of the BEHRINGER to notes instead of assigning them to CCs.

Thank you, Stephen! You have been very helpfull again!!!

[orpheus2006]

This MIDI note table might help you to choose unused MIDI notes:
http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/table2.html

=> Notes 21 (A0) to 108 (C8) are (usually) used on a keyboard with 88 keys. The rest is unused for anything else.

[Stephen Kay]

Originally posted by tsanibaytchev
Thank you, Stephen! You have been very helpfull again!!!

Glad to help out.

[Stephen Kay]

Originally posted by orpheus2006
=> Notes 21 (A0) to 108 (C8) are (usually) used on a keyboard with 88 keys. The rest is unused for anything else.

Yep. So it's a good idea to use notes 0~20 or 109~127, to not interfere with playing on the keyboard.

[tsanibaytchev]

Also I noticed that midi notes do not correspond correctly from Behringer foot controler to M3. For example C0 is not C0 on the Behringer, but C1 or C-1( I don't remember, but there is one octave difference as with work with Cubase also).

So other users should have that in mind as well.

I have another question. Does anybody knows exactly how to make the Drum truck on/off button work via the midi exclusive? I know it is not an easy task, but still there are some masters of the midi here in the forum (like Stephen Kay for example)

I will be so gratefull if anybody can help me.

[tsanibaytchev]

Well, actually I have little problem here. I use the Behringer 1010 for playing pads only. This is the reason I bought it, because I play bass with my left hand and piano with my right and when I solo I want to play the pads(chords) with my feet, so that it doesn't sound empty, but what I discovered is that when I try to do that alot of notes keep playing forever. There is no panic option as well, neither on the M3 nor on the Behringer. I tried so many things. What could cause this? Help !!!